...women dress to out-do other women, not to look good for the guys.
Is it really women's responsibility to dress for guys? Maybe we dress for ourselves.
This statement irked me when I read it this morning, and I was just reminded of it when I read the Robert Venturi/Denise Scott Brown interview posted in the news section. The interviewer asks: Do you think that architects build for architects and developers build for the people?
I'm leaning more toward the sense that as architects, while we do need to meet our clients' needs, we also need to "dress for our fellow architects" in that we have a responsibility to lead our clients to solutions that exceed their needs and benefit the context (cultural and physical) beyond. We need to show them what is good.
Which really doesn't relate at all to what I wear. But blame my faulty logic and poor writing on cold medicine. Goodnight.
Sorry LB, didn't mean to irk. Now that I read my post again I can see how you might think that I implied that women should dress to impress men. I guess I always assume when I post something, that everyone understands exactly where I'm coming from (personal views vs. perception of what I think is asked by society even if I disagree with it, etc). Thats a mistake on my part (that apparently can make me sound like a chauvanist pig).
The question you brought up from the interview is very interesting. Although for me the question has a slightly different meaning. To me it was more about how architects sometimes concentrate so much about architectural concepts and form-making that it only resonate with other architects. And even then, I sometimes question the priority of the needs of the client. What if the clients needs and wants have no relation to the needs and wants of the occupants and everyone else that is affected by it? And what if the architectural concepts and form-making have no benefit whatsoever to the clients, occupants and those affected? Add to that the factor of the impact on the environment. In a society where profitability has an inverse relationship to most societal/ethical/traditional values, what is the architect's role? To streamline and coordinate the complicated process in which we try to achieve the clients self-serving goals? So for me, architects should do less of designing for other architects and perhaps even clients. With all the advanced technology in designing, representing, and building, I want to know one thing that has really benefitted the public. Tell me one good thing all this new software that everyone is so eager to talk about (including me) has really done for our profession. No really, people, I need to get out of this cynical mode. Help
12 AM and Im HUNGRYYYYYY, I can't sleep, and I don't have a JOB.
ewwwwwwww, I feel sick.
I don't know why it's so hard for me to go and look for a job, Im so borreeed w/ everything.
"Tell me one good thing all this new software that everyone is so eager to talk about (including me) has really done for our profession. No really, people, I need to get out of this cynical mode. Help"
To answer that question you have to look closer to "that software --- ask yourself to what degree it is just mimicing how things was done before and without the computer --- if you find that basicly it is exactly the same just re-written into fast code your question answer itself , as typical for our time the new technology is just used to support oldfasion methods and perception.
i dont know how i would live without FX. it is the only channel i watch now. i hate reality tv and most all other shows suck. "the shield" rocks my balls.
yes, it's time ladies and gentleman. it's offically 9:58 cst.
i'm bummed out. i just purchased a plane ticket via american airlines last night to l.a. this morning, i checked my email, only to find out, that they are having a sale from my city to l.a. if i had only waited 9 more hours to book the flight, i could have saved about 120 dollars. sad face.
Vindpust - you were doing well with that post until you mentioned 3D-H. You ever think people might take you seriously if you weren't mentioning 3D-H every time you post on any thread? At first I didn't take you seriously because I thought you were a computer program spouting out random words (still debating). Then I got past the language barrier and I still find the content of your words to be serving no other purpose than to advertise.
bucku - I might have to get cable just to watch "Always Sunny in Philadelphia" on FX. Can't get enough of that crazy show.
<sigh>...still in that cynical mode... and it is compounded by the fact that the queen of Archinect thinks me as a pig of the chauvanist variety.
what do you call those things on "youtube"? You can't call them film - because we aren't watching them from film...bits wouldn't work because that covers too many sins. Ah well - any thoughts?
lb-
i had a prof @ school that argued as architects, "dressing" for other architects was pretty much the primary goal (of architecture). beyond that, clients are nice, but can never really be educated - so it's best to only find clients willing to let you do whatever you deemed neccessary. architect as bully?
No no no Philarch I don't think that about you - I just was reminded of that comment when I read the "architects work/dress for other architects" thing on the VSBA interview and thought I'd make an Arch-connection.
Perhaps this is just part of growing older, but I'm lately feeling more strongly - which means I'm feeling it at all, as I never felt this way in the past - that architects actually SHOULD be pushing our ideas, even above (but not at the expense of) client's needs. We SHOULD feel confident in our experiences and views, and we SHOULD be educating people to those ideas.
I mean for chrissake I've now spent 22 years constantly thinking about the interplay of form and function in our culture so YES I DO know more than you Mr/s. Client so just let me lead you where this project SHOULD go.
Of course doing residential work as I do that's slightly different. And I definitely don't think we should be bullies, holz! But I do think we should stand up for our principles.
No worries, Philarch. I know you are fighting the good fight. And sorry to post out of the resricted late night hours (it's 9:20am for me).
After reading lb's post I just imagined her b*tch slapping a client...that didn't see eye to eye with her. Are you wanted in your previous state for 'flicking bodily harm?
After reading LB's post, I feel a little better. I'm was having a horrible week.
Still working on redlines, most likely over night. Granted I'm doing this because the CAD modeller broke his leg or something, so I shouldn't be the one complaining. I forsee a night full of drinking too much coffee and listening to the same music over and over because I have the El Cheapo version of the iPod. Ooh...I think I just remembered a bottle of Bailey's in the fridge... Irish coffee anyone?
Philarch, can you stream music while you CAD? While I endorse the idea of irish coffee, do be careful not to overdo the Bailey's! Good luck getting it done.
I've had an interesting night. Got to hang out with all the "movers and shakers" in Cincinnati (read: freak parade) and watch my friend NOT win a Vespa. Sucks but there were a bunch of other scooters there so I sized them up for my own purposes.
Also, I have a big weekend planned so I have to save up energy for it. Lots of brunch, partying, more brunch, then baseball season starts. Wooo.
None of this means that I'll get to bed any earlier of course. Going to bed earlier means somehow that I have to go to work sooner. It feels that way anyway.
i just realized it is friday.....wtf..... where did this week go.... my life is soooo weird right now that it seems like i'm in a force field or something.....
Thanks for the words of encouragement LB. I decided to play the radio instead (no streaming music allowed in office) and what a good idea. Jazz on Temple Radio.
Jazz and architecture do go very well. Even more so with too much Irish coffee.
4:17a here and i'm crashing. not a bad night though, finally moved past my 4 week designers block in studio and had a decent conversation about life/marriage/etc. with my studio podmate, provoked by my friend finally letting the cat out the bag to the general public on his proposing tomorrow night.
i think tagging should go more along the lines of...
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12:15 AM on a Friday night.... Doing laundry, just finished cleaning up the crap my ex-roommate left behind, and I've got Dave Chapelle on Comedy Central on in the background. Another day in the life of Living in Gin.
Archinect needs a live chat room for us insomniacs.
just finished off my champagne (celebrating the University of Washington and how kind they've been to me) and launched a website for a non-profit organization.
Late Night Thread
hmm wine....gimme some; I have 3 bottles of South African wine waiting for me at home. I need to get back to my island
Is it really women's responsibility to dress for guys? Maybe we dress for ourselves.
This statement irked me when I read it this morning, and I was just reminded of it when I read the Robert Venturi/Denise Scott Brown interview posted in the news section. The interviewer asks: Do you think that architects build for architects and developers build for the people?
I'm leaning more toward the sense that as architects, while we do need to meet our clients' needs, we also need to "dress for our fellow architects" in that we have a responsibility to lead our clients to solutions that exceed their needs and benefit the context (cultural and physical) beyond. We need to show them what is good.
Which really doesn't relate at all to what I wear. But blame my faulty logic and poor writing on cold medicine. Goodnight.
i just dont worry about dressing. i walk around the office naked. its very refreshing.
Sorry LB, didn't mean to irk. Now that I read my post again I can see how you might think that I implied that women should dress to impress men. I guess I always assume when I post something, that everyone understands exactly where I'm coming from (personal views vs. perception of what I think is asked by society even if I disagree with it, etc). Thats a mistake on my part (that apparently can make me sound like a chauvanist pig).
The question you brought up from the interview is very interesting. Although for me the question has a slightly different meaning. To me it was more about how architects sometimes concentrate so much about architectural concepts and form-making that it only resonate with other architects. And even then, I sometimes question the priority of the needs of the client. What if the clients needs and wants have no relation to the needs and wants of the occupants and everyone else that is affected by it? And what if the architectural concepts and form-making have no benefit whatsoever to the clients, occupants and those affected? Add to that the factor of the impact on the environment. In a society where profitability has an inverse relationship to most societal/ethical/traditional values, what is the architect's role? To streamline and coordinate the complicated process in which we try to achieve the clients self-serving goals? So for me, architects should do less of designing for other architects and perhaps even clients. With all the advanced technology in designing, representing, and building, I want to know one thing that has really benefitted the public. Tell me one good thing all this new software that everyone is so eager to talk about (including me) has really done for our profession. No really, people, I need to get out of this cynical mode. Help
12 AM and Im HUNGRYYYYYY, I can't sleep, and I don't have a JOB.
ewwwwwwww, I feel sick.
I don't know why it's so hard for me to go and look for a job, Im so borreeed w/ everything.
"Tell me one good thing all this new software that everyone is so eager to talk about (including me) has really done for our profession. No really, people, I need to get out of this cynical mode. Help"
To answer that question you have to look closer to "that software --- ask yourself to what degree it is just mimicing how things was done before and without the computer --- if you find that basicly it is exactly the same just re-written into fast code your question answer itself , as typical for our time the new technology is just used to support oldfasion methods and perception.
3D-H work completely different.
I'M STILL UP
i have been waiting all day for this thread to become available...
woe is me and my pathetic archy-life...
Wow. This late night thread even has infomercials!
3D-H. Set it... and forget it.
3D-H work completely different.
I really should get cable. In theory, if I don't have cable I'll watch less TV.
What happens is I spend more time adjusting rabbit ears...
I can't clear up my Channel 4. I miss The Office in clearvision.
Yeah, I can't clear up 2. And some San Diego channel comes and goes... So frusterating...
Whoa! I forgot about 2.
Yeah, 2 is pretty unclear.
But Al Bundy on 11 is nice and crisp.
i dont know how i would live without FX. it is the only channel i watch now. i hate reality tv and most all other shows suck. "the shield" rocks my balls.
yes, it's time ladies and gentleman. it's offically 9:58 cst.
i'm bummed out. i just purchased a plane ticket via american airlines last night to l.a. this morning, i checked my email, only to find out, that they are having a sale from my city to l.a. if i had only waited 9 more hours to book the flight, i could have saved about 120 dollars. sad face.
the chanel four news team in San Diego is amazing.
Billy Mais he's such a celebrity
my clock says 00:25 so I figured its about time to settle comfortably in the insomniac threads
Only in LA do you have weathmen named Johnny Mountain and Dallas Rains.
Oops, I posted a half hour early...
Vindpust - you were doing well with that post until you mentioned 3D-H. You ever think people might take you seriously if you weren't mentioning 3D-H every time you post on any thread? At first I didn't take you seriously because I thought you were a computer program spouting out random words (still debating). Then I got past the language barrier and I still find the content of your words to be serving no other purpose than to advertise.
bucku - I might have to get cable just to watch "Always Sunny in Philadelphia" on FX. Can't get enough of that crazy show.
<sigh>...still in that cynical mode... and it is compounded by the fact that the queen of Archinect thinks me as a pig of the chauvanist variety.
"its always sunny" is pretty funny. i dont know but there is something about that channel..
i didnt know that there was a queen of archinect. who is that libertybell?
i went on my second job interview today. that was even more fun than the first. though i still hate wearing a suit..
crazy question
what do you call those things on "youtube"? You can't call them film - because we aren't watching them from film...bits wouldn't work because that covers too many sins. Ah well - any thoughts?
You don't turn up the volume, do you? What's wrong wit film?
clips?
what is it you are clipping?
vids perhaps?
lb-
i had a prof @ school that argued as architects, "dressing" for other architects was pretty much the primary goal (of architecture). beyond that, clients are nice, but can never really be educated - so it's best to only find clients willing to let you do whatever you deemed neccessary. architect as bully?
No no no Philarch I don't think that about you - I just was reminded of that comment when I read the "architects work/dress for other architects" thing on the VSBA interview and thought I'd make an Arch-connection.
Perhaps this is just part of growing older, but I'm lately feeling more strongly - which means I'm feeling it at all, as I never felt this way in the past - that architects actually SHOULD be pushing our ideas, even above (but not at the expense of) client's needs. We SHOULD feel confident in our experiences and views, and we SHOULD be educating people to those ideas.
I mean for chrissake I've now spent 22 years constantly thinking about the interplay of form and function in our culture so YES I DO know more than you Mr/s. Client so just let me lead you where this project SHOULD go.
Of course doing residential work as I do that's slightly different. And I definitely don't think we should be bullies, holz! But I do think we should stand up for our principles.
No worries, Philarch. I know you are fighting the good fight. And sorry to post out of the resricted late night hours (it's 9:20am for me).
laterlaterlater...
I posted and it is 11:21 EST.....NIGHT...HOPE THERE ARE OTHER ENTRIES BY MORNING
its that time of night again.
After reading lb's post I just imagined her b*tch slapping a client...that didn't see eye to eye with her. Are you wanted in your previous state for 'flicking bodily harm?
After reading LB's post, I feel a little better. I'm was having a horrible week.
Still working on redlines, most likely over night. Granted I'm doing this because the CAD modeller broke his leg or something, so I shouldn't be the one complaining. I forsee a night full of drinking too much coffee and listening to the same music over and over because I have the El Cheapo version of the iPod. Ooh...I think I just remembered a bottle of Bailey's in the fridge... Irish coffee anyone?
nothing wrong w/ "b*tch slapping a client"
that's the "education" my old boss was always talking about them needing, right?
Philarch, can you stream music while you CAD? While I endorse the idea of irish coffee, do be careful not to overdo the Bailey's! Good luck getting it done.
I've had an interesting night. Got to hang out with all the "movers and shakers" in Cincinnati (read: freak parade) and watch my friend NOT win a Vespa. Sucks but there were a bunch of other scooters there so I sized them up for my own purposes.
Also, I have a big weekend planned so I have to save up energy for it. Lots of brunch, partying, more brunch, then baseball season starts. Wooo.
None of this means that I'll get to bed any earlier of course. Going to bed earlier means somehow that I have to go to work sooner. It feels that way anyway.
i just realized it is friday.....wtf..... where did this week go.... my life is soooo weird right now that it seems like i'm in a force field or something.....
maybe it's peanutbutter jelly time
b
Thanks for the words of encouragement LB. I decided to play the radio instead (no streaming music allowed in office) and what a good idea. Jazz on Temple Radio.
Jazz and architecture do go very well. Even more so with too much Irish coffee.
4:17a here and i'm crashing. not a bad night though, finally moved past my 4 week designers block in studio and had a decent conversation about life/marriage/etc. with my studio podmate, provoked by my friend finally letting the cat out the bag to the general public on his proposing tomorrow night.
night kids, cya tomorrow.
i hate autocad...
katze was here...
sincerely, mdler copy cat
i think tagging should go more along the lines of...
bbbbb uu uu ccccc kk kk
bb bb uu uu ccccccc kk kk
bb bb uu uu cc kkkk
bbbbb uu uu cc kk kk
bb bb uu uu cc kk kk
bb bb uuuuu ccccccc kk kk
bbbbb uuu cccc kk kkk
12:15 AM on a Friday night.... Doing laundry, just finished cleaning up the crap my ex-roommate left behind, and I've got Dave Chapelle on Comedy Central on in the background. Another day in the life of Living in Gin.
Archinect needs a live chat room for us insomniacs.
Hey good idea LIG! We should put in an archinet change request to add a chat room! :)
this isnt a chat room? you all arent sexy female coeds?
so i am multi-tasking and watching poseidon and doing cad. there was a line right after the ship was crushed by this wave turning it upside down.
"i am an architect, this ship wasnt meant to stay afloat upside down!?!"
do architects know this sort of thing?
just finished off my champagne (celebrating the University of Washington and how kind they've been to me) and launched a website for a non-profit organization.
congratulations rationalist. Cheers! What kind of non-profit are you sponsoring?
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