has anyone heard of scams through these employment ads for arch/engineeris on craigslist? I'm sure many others get no reply to these ads. They just seem fishy.
if my experience posting a listing - for a two day a week admin asst. no less - is any guide, it's that they're overwhelmed by the quantity of responses and simply don't have enough time to reply. we got 300 responses in 1 week.
don't send your resumes/info to a craigslist email.... id's are being stolen and no way to back track. i usually reply in the email stating that i would like the company name and a direct email then i list some basic info.
most likelyt yeah, but what can they do with a name and a na address? im under the impression some places are fishing to see whats out there, if things get better soon. whats the selling point that makes one candidate stand out from 300 other applicants? the subject line in the email?
Most companies(especially architecture firms) who post on Craigslist do not disclose the firm's name.I mean they already get hundreds of emails and think how many people would harass them if they do disclose the firm's name and contact info but on the other hand it puts you in an awkward situation because you can't check out firm's site or do a research on the firm to find out what kind of projects they do so you can't really write a good cover letter addressing their needs..I got my last internship through an anonymous Craigslist ad like that though.
i know some people post on there just to solicit work samples and resume so they can see whats out there or use it as their own work with some modification.
in fact i can get a gmail or hotmail account and post fake ads right now just to see who's out there competing for the same jobs if i was looking.
don't send anything till you at least a response to your inquiry about the job!
And don't forget that some of those firms that need somebody, and as stated above, are overwhelmed with applications, they are hiring placement agencies to find somebody for them. A placement agency like Aerotek etc. will not put the name of the firm for which they are hiring, so that the applicant does not go directly to the firm and the agency looses money.
I've also heard of some people that they would put an add on craigslist so they do get responses from architects to see what their resume looks like and to see if they are doing anything wrong with theirs. People are trying anything nowadays!
the problem with craigslist emailing is that they only allow 150kb limit size, but in the ad they always request work samples and stuff that is at least 1mb in size. so I have no choice but to give them a link to my stuff which looks cheezy and unprofessional, I would rather like to attach pdf file to email not some links!
didn't think other people would be as decietful and clever as me. I posted multiple fake job listings to thwart the competition while looking for a job in NYC earlier this fall. For me, it wasn't just an 'intelligence' operation to see who my competition was; actually I just wanted to waste other people's time applying to jobs that did not exist, so that I had a better chance getting any actual job oppurtunities. I don't feel bad...but now I wonder: did I also apply to fake jobs listings?
btw. I was also tempted to create a alternate alias email, thru which I would harrass and threaten firms offering 'unpaid jobs' and "internships". Sad that our current job climate calls for 'black tactics' while seeking unemployment.
tk.arch, actually the person who is wasting time is you. because not only you have to create that ad, but you have to constantly check your email and go thru hundreds of unskilled resumes and waste a ton of time until you actually find some worse copying, but copying it won't anyway...
"tk.arch, actually the person who is wasting time is you. because not only you have to create that ad, but you have to constantly check your email and go thru hundreds of unskilled resumes and waste a ton of time until you actually find worth copying, but copying it won't help you anyway..."
Seriously zen maker?
I glanced at a couple here an there, but I don't consider it a waste of time. Secondly, I never stated that I was into "copying" other peoples formats or styles. I can only guess that your own inability at producing a nice resume, portfolio, or teaser is the motive behind that assumption.
people only tend to apply to a few postings here and there so by diluting the genuine job postings with false ones, theres a chance that some people will spend their time and energy chasing 'the goose'. Also despite the poor job climate people are still greedy for the jobs that appear 'cooler' or more experimental..."young design driven firm seeking recent architecture graduate will rapid prototyping experience...maya, and rhino a must". Compared to: "well established corporate office seeking architectural draftsperson...CAD skills"
Its interesting to be on the other side and see the competition, but the majority of what I saw was awful, there are many, many mediocre aspiring architects...
Loser isn't a good term to describe my actions. Sociopath-yes
I think you're just frustrated with your own inadequacies at finding a job/life/sex.
and hell is for more important people than some architect that tricked other architects into spending some of their unlimited free (unemployed) time to apply for a job that didn't actually exist.
All the people on this forum, if you want to put a stop to this kind of dishonest and false hope advertisements on craigslist, then please follow this steps and together we will make a difference:
1) Create anonymous email account.
2) Send whatever you want (words of wisdom, or words of hate, or whatever spam you can come up with) to a suspicious architectural position on craigslist. Send multiple emails, preferably from local libraries, or universities, to be as anonymous as possible.
This will hit them where it hurts the most, their freaking mailbox will be over the limit! And if it is a legitimate firm that submitted an ad that looks like crap, then its their problem.
Again, I don't really give a damn about financial professions and other marketing and stuff that is not related to architecture, they been cutting each other throats for centuries but when it comes to architecture job ads, it just breaks my hurt to see this happen to hard-working people who spend time to prepare their resumes and work-samples and apply to these false positions, and even worse, their sensitive information being stolen by some "i wanna see the competition out there freak".
tk.arch, you think your stupid scam is clever? christ. yea, you'll get a real nice batch of resumes from third-rate architects, no doubt just like yourself.
Although I think it's kind of weird what tk is doing and I knew that there were people out there doing it, I understand why he is doing it. I was laid off and luckily got hired back but in the mean time I was freaking out and was calling everybody I knew and sending out an abundance of resumes daily and never got any responses. So when somebody is going through that for a year or so, you start to wonder if you are doing something wrong and you do anything to see what other people are doing. That is not the best thing to do, because those are the same people without jobs still and copying their resumes/formats could be even worse for somebody like tk.
You don't get it...I already have a solid portfolio and resume, why would I copy or get ideas from something worse than mine. If that was my motive I would have stated it...My goal was to WASTE other motherf*ckers time.
All the people on this forum, if you want to put a stop to this kind of dishonest and false hope advertisements on craigslist, then please follow this steps and together we will make a difference:
1) Create anonymous email account.
2) Send whatever you want (words of wisdom, or words of hate, or whatever spam you can come up with) to a suspicious architectural position on craigslist. Send multiple emails, preferably from local libraries, or universities, to be as anonymous as possible."
did you think up this idea all on your own? How would you know which posts are real or not? You're actually just giving the spammers more email addresses to work with
tk, sounds like you wasted some money as well as time since you have to pay to post those job ads on craigslist. I'm curious....did you get a job in nyc this fall? Did all this pay off for you? We still haven't heard the outcome...just a lot of hot headed back and forth.
By the way, if I were you I would not be advertising that you are doing this. The architecture community is small and close knit, especially in new york. Someone on here either knows who you are or will make a point to find out who you are and it will come back to you in the end. I'm curious to know who you've worked for in the past and where all the "solid" work samples you have came from.
I won't resort to name calling but what you did is reprehensible. Your attitude represents everything that is wrong with this profession...no solidarity, people who are quick to sell out and undercut others, and no sense of honor....there is even honor among thieves...but not young architects.
"tk.arch, you think your stupid scam is clever? christ. yea, you'll get a real nice batch of resumes from third-rate architects, no doubt just like yourself."
jk3hl's work is just a little bit better than the abundance of mediocre 'blah' I was commenting on:
In my opinion, real posts should provide real email address (company's mailbox) or at least a company name that is real. Not just some random "award winning, tribeca firm" blah blah blah crap without any other info. If real posts don't provide better info, they will get spammed by me and hundreds of other devoted anti-spammers with instructions of how to provide a better ad.
Perhaps this will teach them a lesson to create better ad or post somewhere else, like here on archinect, which is more legitimate place then craigslist.
zen,
u won't, just reply with an email stating that u are interest in the job, but would like more info...
if u do get a response that seem legit, great! but if nothing either it is spam or they don't bother with your inquiry.
i read an article a couple month back in Wired Magazine about how craigslist is dead, and until they do a better job verifying the poster, it is dead, at least for the job section.
Niro,
Wired Magazine better check their sources on that whole "craigslist is dead" argument. There is much evidence to the contrary. Most of it lies in the fact that each job ad posted on there gets about 500-800 resumes...at least here in new york.
On another note...no one would take the time to send a "verification" email to a job posting to make sure its legit. With the uphill battle of getting noticed among hundreds of resume responses....a real job poster would ignore you in that situation. Realize one thing...they don't need us at this point...we need them. There are more qualified candidates out there than jobs and if you want to handicap yourself by not applying to craigslist ads, you're effectively taking yourself out of the game. And yes, I've gotten many interviews off of craigslist ads, most of them are legit.
Otis-"I'm curious....did you get a job in nyc this fall? Did all this pay off for you? We still haven't heard the outcome...just a lot of hot headed back and forth. "
ME:I got several job interviews in NYC, but ended up taking a job in Berlin. It was thru a prof. from grad school...so it was unrelated to my "terrible antics".
i'll admit: The numbers in my plan did not really add up, because any posting for a job got swamped with applications...so my efforts to deflect applications towards certain jobs probably affected the field little.
The interview/jobs I got offered came because I was better than the rest, seeing what other people were sending firms was a great confidence booster, which is was important at that time ( i did not get the "big" summer internship I had hoped for)
Otis:"The architecture community is small and close knit, especially in new york. Someone on here either knows who you are or will make a point to find out who you are and it will come back to you in the end."
ME: i guess i won't be able to make the archinect meet ups at some pretentious beer-garden/ wine-bar in park slope-sigh. Also I don't plan on returning to NYC soon, so all suckers can squabble over shit jobs and fake job postings..auf deutsch bitte
tk,
from your post and your response to me I can see that you are pretty fresh to the professional world and do not understand what I'm talking about. When I say that the community is close knit and people will make a point to find out who you are, I'm not talking about the archinect meetups son...I'm talking about how all the professionals know each other around here and word of degenerates like yourself gets around pretty fast. I also highly doubt that you got offered several jobs or interviews in new york...... A. because there are very few available and B. because the ones that are available are not at your junior level anyway.
Tk, Care to put your money where your mouth is and prove how much better you are than everyone else? Let's see a link to that portfolio son.
As for the rest of you guys getting upset...don't worry about this pion...with an attitude like that, the world will take care of him soon enough...especially if he's in Berlin.
I apologize for my daughter's actions (tk.arch), She hasnt been well since her and her BF broke up. i guess she takes after me... ok now back to eating
NYC anonymous craigslist ads
has anyone heard of scams through these employment ads for arch/engineeris on craigslist? I'm sure many others get no reply to these ads. They just seem fishy.
fade -
if my experience posting a listing - for a two day a week admin asst. no less - is any guide, it's that they're overwhelmed by the quantity of responses and simply don't have enough time to reply. we got 300 responses in 1 week.
i didn't reply to like 290 of them.
thanks outed, thats what i figured, my old boss mentioned that too, cant believe its true.
don't send your resumes/info to a craigslist email.... id's are being stolen and no way to back track. i usually reply in the email stating that i would like the company name and a direct email then i list some basic info.
most likelyt yeah, but what can they do with a name and a na address? im under the impression some places are fishing to see whats out there, if things get better soon. whats the selling point that makes one candidate stand out from 300 other applicants? the subject line in the email?
Most companies(especially architecture firms) who post on Craigslist do not disclose the firm's name.I mean they already get hundreds of emails and think how many people would harass them if they do disclose the firm's name and contact info but on the other hand it puts you in an awkward situation because you can't check out firm's site or do a research on the firm to find out what kind of projects they do so you can't really write a good cover letter addressing their needs..I got my last internship through an anonymous Craigslist ad like that though.
i know some people post on there just to solicit work samples and resume so they can see whats out there or use it as their own work with some modification.
in fact i can get a gmail or hotmail account and post fake ads right now just to see who's out there competing for the same jobs if i was looking.
don't send anything till you at least a response to your inquiry about the job!
ha, yeah to be honest ive been tempted to do the same for some time. but it seems like old news now.
And don't forget that some of those firms that need somebody, and as stated above, are overwhelmed with applications, they are hiring placement agencies to find somebody for them. A placement agency like Aerotek etc. will not put the name of the firm for which they are hiring, so that the applicant does not go directly to the firm and the agency looses money.
I've also heard of some people that they would put an add on craigslist so they do get responses from architects to see what their resume looks like and to see if they are doing anything wrong with theirs. People are trying anything nowadays!
Sorry niro, I must have skipped over your comment....
i don't think any company should be hiring a recruiting agency right now... the market is over saturated with folks with all ranges of experience...
It never made sense to me either....but yet our firm still uses them....
the problem with craigslist emailing is that they only allow 150kb limit size, but in the ad they always request work samples and stuff that is at least 1mb in size. so I have no choice but to give them a link to my stuff which looks cheezy and unprofessional, I would rather like to attach pdf file to email not some links!
anyone actually get a job thru craigslist?
Why wouldn't use more repsectable methods or at least website.
Last year, I found my website thru the AIA website.
wow,
didn't think other people would be as decietful and clever as me. I posted multiple fake job listings to thwart the competition while looking for a job in NYC earlier this fall. For me, it wasn't just an 'intelligence' operation to see who my competition was; actually I just wanted to waste other people's time applying to jobs that did not exist, so that I had a better chance getting any actual job oppurtunities. I don't feel bad...but now I wonder: did I also apply to fake jobs listings?
btw. I was also tempted to create a alternate alias email, thru which I would harrass and threaten firms offering 'unpaid jobs' and "internships". Sad that our current job climate calls for 'black tactics' while seeking unemployment.
oh and any one who responded to my job posts...i sold your email addresses to eastern european porn sites and bot herders.
I have solicited firms as potential customers just to see what kind of immediate response I'd get and how they take care of their customers.
Gotta love $0.99 prepaid phone deals! I got about dozen more phones with 30 minutes a piece left on them.
tk.arch, actually the person who is wasting time is you. because not only you have to create that ad, but you have to constantly check your email and go thru hundreds of unskilled resumes and waste a ton of time until you actually find some worse copying, but copying it won't anyway...
*some worth copying, but copying it won't help you anyway...
"tk.arch, actually the person who is wasting time is you. because not only you have to create that ad, but you have to constantly check your email and go thru hundreds of unskilled resumes and waste a ton of time until you actually find worth copying, but copying it won't help you anyway..."
Seriously zen maker?
I glanced at a couple here an there, but I don't consider it a waste of time. Secondly, I never stated that I was into "copying" other peoples formats or styles. I can only guess that your own inability at producing a nice resume, portfolio, or teaser is the motive behind that assumption.
people only tend to apply to a few postings here and there so by diluting the genuine job postings with false ones, theres a chance that some people will spend their time and energy chasing 'the goose'. Also despite the poor job climate people are still greedy for the jobs that appear 'cooler' or more experimental..."young design driven firm seeking recent architecture graduate will rapid prototyping experience...maya, and rhino a must". Compared to: "well established corporate office seeking architectural draftsperson...CAD skills"
Its interesting to be on the other side and see the competition, but the majority of what I saw was awful, there are many, many mediocre aspiring architects...
tk you're going to hell for this.
loser
ckl,
Loser isn't a good term to describe my actions. Sociopath-yes
I think you're just frustrated with your own inadequacies at finding a job/life/sex.
and hell is for more important people than some architect that tricked other architects into spending some of their unlimited free (unemployed) time to apply for a job that didn't actually exist.
"I glanced at a couple here an there..."
"Secondly, I never stated that I was into copying other peoples formats or styles..."
and you really expect us to believe that?
I propose to spam the spammers!
All the people on this forum, if you want to put a stop to this kind of dishonest and false hope advertisements on craigslist, then please follow this steps and together we will make a difference:
1) Create anonymous email account.
2) Send whatever you want (words of wisdom, or words of hate, or whatever spam you can come up with) to a suspicious architectural position on craigslist. Send multiple emails, preferably from local libraries, or universities, to be as anonymous as possible.
This will hit them where it hurts the most, their freaking mailbox will be over the limit! And if it is a legitimate firm that submitted an ad that looks like crap, then its their problem.
Again, I don't really give a damn about financial professions and other marketing and stuff that is not related to architecture, they been cutting each other throats for centuries but when it comes to architecture job ads, it just breaks my hurt to see this happen to hard-working people who spend time to prepare their resumes and work-samples and apply to these false positions, and even worse, their sensitive information being stolen by some "i wanna see the competition out there freak".
and for the record, tk.arch, people like you do rise to power and are the main reason why we are in such a big financial mess.
bwahahhahah, you have no idea how to set up a ddos attack.
You will be doing redlines in hell!!!
tk.arch, you think your stupid scam is clever? christ. yea, you'll get a real nice batch of resumes from third-rate architects, no doubt just like yourself.
tk i hope your asshole rots off
Although I think it's kind of weird what tk is doing and I knew that there were people out there doing it, I understand why he is doing it. I was laid off and luckily got hired back but in the mean time I was freaking out and was calling everybody I knew and sending out an abundance of resumes daily and never got any responses. So when somebody is going through that for a year or so, you start to wonder if you are doing something wrong and you do anything to see what other people are doing. That is not the best thing to do, because those are the same people without jobs still and copying their resumes/formats could be even worse for somebody like tk.
There is no need for name calling.
Cheers!
You all are just bananas.
Let's just chill out on the banks of River Thames with some Pimm's!
my application packet cover is pretty hot, not going to lie.
Zen Maker,
You don't get it...I already have a solid portfolio and resume, why would I copy or get ideas from something worse than mine. If that was my motive I would have stated it...My goal was to WASTE other motherf*ckers time.
Zen Maker
"I propose to spam the spammers!
All the people on this forum, if you want to put a stop to this kind of dishonest and false hope advertisements on craigslist, then please follow this steps and together we will make a difference:
1) Create anonymous email account.
2) Send whatever you want (words of wisdom, or words of hate, or whatever spam you can come up with) to a suspicious architectural position on craigslist. Send multiple emails, preferably from local libraries, or universities, to be as anonymous as possible."
did you think up this idea all on your own? How would you know which posts are real or not? You're actually just giving the spammers more email addresses to work with
tk, sounds like you wasted some money as well as time since you have to pay to post those job ads on craigslist. I'm curious....did you get a job in nyc this fall? Did all this pay off for you? We still haven't heard the outcome...just a lot of hot headed back and forth.
By the way, if I were you I would not be advertising that you are doing this. The architecture community is small and close knit, especially in new york. Someone on here either knows who you are or will make a point to find out who you are and it will come back to you in the end. I'm curious to know who you've worked for in the past and where all the "solid" work samples you have came from.
I won't resort to name calling but what you did is reprehensible. Your attitude represents everything that is wrong with this profession...no solidarity, people who are quick to sell out and undercut others, and no sense of honor....there is even honor among thieves...but not young architects.
jk3hl,
"tk.arch, you think your stupid scam is clever? christ. yea, you'll get a real nice batch of resumes from third-rate architects, no doubt just like yourself."
jk3hl's work is just a little bit better than the abundance of mediocre 'blah' I was commenting on:
link
it fits nicely with the work being done here:
link
"How would you know which posts are real or not?"
In my opinion, real posts should provide real email address (company's mailbox) or at least a company name that is real. Not just some random "award winning, tribeca firm" blah blah blah crap without any other info. If real posts don't provide better info, they will get spammed by me and hundreds of other devoted anti-spammers with instructions of how to provide a better ad.
Perhaps this will teach them a lesson to create better ad or post somewhere else, like here on archinect, which is more legitimate place then craigslist.
zen,
u won't, just reply with an email stating that u are interest in the job, but would like more info...
if u do get a response that seem legit, great! but if nothing either it is spam or they don't bother with your inquiry.
i read an article a couple month back in Wired Magazine about how craigslist is dead, and until they do a better job verifying the poster, it is dead, at least for the job section.
Niro,
Wired Magazine better check their sources on that whole "craigslist is dead" argument. There is much evidence to the contrary. Most of it lies in the fact that each job ad posted on there gets about 500-800 resumes...at least here in new york.
On another note...no one would take the time to send a "verification" email to a job posting to make sure its legit. With the uphill battle of getting noticed among hundreds of resume responses....a real job poster would ignore you in that situation. Realize one thing...they don't need us at this point...we need them. There are more qualified candidates out there than jobs and if you want to handicap yourself by not applying to craigslist ads, you're effectively taking yourself out of the game. And yes, I've gotten many interviews off of craigslist ads, most of them are legit.
Otis-"I'm curious....did you get a job in nyc this fall? Did all this pay off for you? We still haven't heard the outcome...just a lot of hot headed back and forth. "
ME:I got several job interviews in NYC, but ended up taking a job in Berlin. It was thru a prof. from grad school...so it was unrelated to my "terrible antics".
i'll admit: The numbers in my plan did not really add up, because any posting for a job got swamped with applications...so my efforts to deflect applications towards certain jobs probably affected the field little.
The interview/jobs I got offered came because I was better than the rest, seeing what other people were sending firms was a great confidence booster, which is was important at that time ( i did not get the "big" summer internship I had hoped for)
Otis:"The architecture community is small and close knit, especially in new york. Someone on here either knows who you are or will make a point to find out who you are and it will come back to you in the end."
ME: i guess i won't be able to make the archinect meet ups at some pretentious beer-garden/ wine-bar in park slope-sigh. Also I don't plan on returning to NYC soon, so all suckers can squabble over shit jobs and fake job postings..auf deutsch bitte
tk, shutup and put a dik in ur mouth already
Well I've given up on Craigslist ads long time ago anyways...
"fuk u, architects are a bunch of lame asses."
-fadetoblacko
watch your back son.
tk,
from your post and your response to me I can see that you are pretty fresh to the professional world and do not understand what I'm talking about. When I say that the community is close knit and people will make a point to find out who you are, I'm not talking about the archinect meetups son...I'm talking about how all the professionals know each other around here and word of degenerates like yourself gets around pretty fast. I also highly doubt that you got offered several jobs or interviews in new york...... A. because there are very few available and B. because the ones that are available are not at your junior level anyway.
Tk, Care to put your money where your mouth is and prove how much better you are than everyone else? Let's see a link to that portfolio son.
As for the rest of you guys getting upset...don't worry about this pion...with an attitude like that, the world will take care of him soon enough...especially if he's in Berlin.
tk has to be 12 years old
this is tk.arch's brother, leave my little sis alone
I apologize for my daughter's actions (tk.arch), She hasnt been well since her and her BF broke up. i guess she takes after me... ok now back to eating
All of you are 12
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