I don't know if this breaks forum rules or if it doesn't.

But I'm gonna be all pathetic and ask for votes.
I entered this competition... The prize is: nothing (because in all sincerity, I have very little interest in getting my work built at this point in my career (focusing on this weird learning other things thing))...

A few opinions coming from people not drawing up mushroom shaped bus stops or "designing" the latest way to embrace a tree trunk would be nice though.


http://nextstopdesign.com/designs/246-process-stop

Hypershot?

rhino >> maxwell >> photoshop

it's cool. if it's not too late to edit--you're missing a "the" in the description. What other things are you learning these days?

I don't know, Sustainastop has a pretty catchy name.

sorry, if you don't mind me being overly practical, but isn't it a tad oversized for a bus stop? That's not just a hit on you, browsing through I saw several that size. Is there a reason for that?

^ my first thought too.

i like huge things.

OMG SORRY I SAID THE L WORD. i mean, i wanted the bus stop to be an experience onto itself.

But whats your concept?

So, "an experience to yourself"? But with a "connectivity console"? Basically, you have a basketball court under roof, with no place to sit, exposed to the wind, and you can check your email? I bet your users can't wait for the bus to get there, where there might be some actual human conversation....

"with no place to sit".

are you blind?

the smoothness reminds me of Maurice Nio busstop in Hoofdorp NL, but this one also contains facilities for the busdrivers:


be careful about shiny white surfaces, this one got dirty very quickly so they had to redo the surface:

No, dirty glasses. See the windbreak now, too.

I'm sincerely hoping someone submitted this as a joke.

wow! I really like it but the scale... what kind of buses are catering for. Seems a tad large but oh so sexy

I suppose you mean the Maurice Nio example...it's for local/regional buses nothing long distance/international. don't actually know if a lot of people use it, but public transport in general is fairly popular and it is next to a big hospital.

or you were talking about the original post of course...

'Modernist trash' ..? A touch oedipal, no? Without 'modernist trash' we wouldnt have your 'sexy' form. I think you need to pay as much attention to your rhetoric as you pay to your computing.

"Without 'modernist trash' we wouldnt have your 'sexy' form."

ever seen a baroque church? i very very very much disagree, but i'm not up for playing a game of "if ___ then ___". modernism is about functionality and ascetic restraint; progressive; socialist; universal (worker housing anyone? glass boxes anyone?).

i'm not claiming to exist within a void, outside of tradition and style (omg the s word); i'm just stating my disdain for a father (modernism) that was definitely cheating on mom with the babysitter.

My point was that, in terms of a hereditary lineage, w/o M we wouldnt have this. With respect to technology, tectonics, aesthetics, and ideology. I was not implyng that there were no sexy forms before Modernism. Are you kidding me?


[some] Modernism was also about a disregard to place, to context, to cultural identity, to climate, to really pretty much everything except it's technology fetish. All of this your bus stop accomplishes pretty nicely. So, one could say from a certain view point, this project is actually hyper-modern. So saying 'modernist trash' is sarcastic at best, and naive at worst.

yeah ok.

"if __ then __" discussion.

just gonna respond without indulging that sort of discussion.

you are partially correct; i was taking shots at the other bus stops with that line and trying to incite some semblance of thought on behalf of the sort of forms that were being presented there.










and here we go.

the way that my entry was designed is an off-shot of that thesis that i went about writing / designing my last semester at Michigan. it's about a methodology for design involving semi-automatic processes (not talking about code this time; think jean arp, think andre masson and most importantly desnos). yeah, who knows what i was thinking for that instance of a second, but the original sketches of that thing were not about disregarding place/culture/etc, they were about magnifying an interior way of going about the design process, eschewing rationality and aiming for a focus on immediate formal/sensual gratification.

i'm not gonna go up to a utah-based bus stop competition being judged by the PUBLIC and write them pagefuls on how chance, physics, automatics, digital media and drawing all factor into process when voting is carried out by people who either 1. don't care, 2. don't have the background to understand.

(i'm just glossing over all of this. check out the process discussion (think you were there), to gain just an inkling more if you care)).




"'My point was that, in terms of a hereditary lineage, w/o M we wouldnt have this"

deconstructivism takes you anywhere. you can think of terragani buildings into eisenman-ian syntax that way.

thinking in terms of "w/o x" or "had x happened" is not productive. hypothetical scenarios of the past could have never happened.

i think i'd like it better if the whole wall/roof assembly was fattened, where the inner volume was different from the outer form.

that's what i thought i saw when i looked at the first photo...

i agree.

I will honestly say that when I saw it, I wasn't too impressed. Then I looked at the other entries and changed my mind.

The only other things I really like about it is what seems to be the gentle curvature in the roof. But I don't like that simple for aesthetic reasons, I like that because it deters the formation of wasp nests.

I have an irrational fear of wasps.

i assume the hugh structure covers across the street and allow traffic passing through? so it serves both directions as bus stops?

Original Poster, you started this thread by asking for the opinions of others, but you showed a tendency to jump to needless hot-headed defence whenever anyone states anything other than shallow appreciation of the design's form. I mean this honestly : are you really looking for discussion and criticism or simply votes? If it's sincerely the former, I suppose I have some comments I could make. I would be interested to engage with you in a discussion of your process, out of curiousity, but not if you're going to allow yourself to get immediately rankled by every comment.

i think maxwell is great for rendering single objects^^

@ab

Don't necessarily want to get into a ginormous discussion either, as I am extremely tired of it. However just quickly:

This grey goo between praxis, theory, desire and building-logics is the mushy area where the rhetoric sort of rubs me the wrong way. On one hand, paper architecture, or research, or art is of course inherently valuable. Its very strength lies in the absence of [or design of] constraints. Of course one is free to explore whatever one chooses whether that's emergence, deconstruction, or semi-autonomy etc etc. The vacuum is a warm blanket. Meaning the art/investigation/research does not have to serve any other purpose other than its own existence.

However, the purpose of built space is nearly always external to its own existence. It nearly always carries some sort of pragmatic, contextual mandate [Even if that mandate is merely propaganda, Hi, Daniel!]. It's the difference between internal and external teleogies.

To me, using an intrinsic finality logic, to give explanation and reason for something that wants to have extrinsic finality presents a huge disconnect in reason, and potentially a lapse of ethics.


You declined to present the true logic of your project because the user's wouldn't understand. This is somehow wrong for me. Not because I dont believe in meritocracy, but because a good bus stop needs careful attention to considerations other than self-referential dialogs or emergence.



Then again, it's just a silly competition and your renders/drawings are pretty spiffy. Cheers

most of those entries will never fly...too many benches that will attract the bums....and nobody wants the bums.